Hipsters On Food Stamps, Part 1

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I'm also maybe more ruthless or more gentle depending on how you look at it. The resources are out there. There was a five year gap between University and high school for me. Nobody wants to know about the reason you think your professor wrote about why his professor wrote, why Anna Karenina died in a dress and how many hours you spent thinking about it. Most of us are more subtle. So what makes you better? Posted by Pirran November 13, 2:

can you stomach the truth?

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That is another crutch. Posted by Thomas Belnap November 11, Sorry, lost me right there. Racism voids your legitimacy because you're taking an effect and trying to make it the cause which is needless to say irrational.

I dislike self entitled holier than thou hipsters just as much as the next guy, but it isn't hipsters that are exploiting a much needed social safety net, it's people. People do bad things not styles, colors, money, or any other inanimate object or physical quality.

There are unethical people and ethical people, unethical people exploit systems and ethical people support systems.

In the same way that people do good or bad things, people make things worthwhile or worthless. Which is the primary error you make in you're rhetoric here's what I mean -. On your main thesis that college is worthless.

The value of any given thing is whatever it is that a person places in it. College can be worthless if you decide that it is and behave in a manner that reflects such an attitude. The people you refer to in the article behave in a manner that reflects their beliefs. No one gets a college degree and then is handed a lifelong successful career. That kind of reasoning is analogous to assuming a hammer is all that is required to put a nail in a wall.

You have to swing the hammer into the nail. The hammer, in itself, is useless. Same story with a degree, I'm a philosophy major which has no specialized job application in the real world as there aren't any job postings for philosophers on any career site or job board I've ever seen.

Is it a waste of time then? It is a tool that I am using to train my mind to see a wider range of possibilities in ordinary circumstances. That is what education is. But like the hammer potential itself does nothing without an agent to act upon it. I believe in education so much that I left a cushy career that paid me 6 figures a year which took me 5 years to achieve. I slowly built my skill set up to qualify for and secure a business consulting position at the largest internet technology company in the world an experience that enabled me to start two of my own businesses which I also gave up to pursue a degree.

Education is the same story, it is a stepping stone, just like my first job selling newspapers. Sometimes you have to shovel shit before you can rake in success. I didn't leave my job because I thought that a degree would end up making me more money, but because it would afford the opportunity for greater experience, and open doors that would otherwise be closed, which it already has.

I am better off now than I ever was before and I still have 1 semester left. Because I have more "hammers" now than I did before which I'm already using to build a better me and therefore a better life. You have no idea how much luck played a role in what you've accomplished. Of course you can go study philosophy - you're quite wealthy. I suggest you divert some of your efforts away from studying philosophy toward sociology or at least political philosophy.

You're terribly under-informed or perhaps deliberately ignorant of macroeconomics and the relationship people have to "the support system", a product of The System, capital-S. You seem to selectively emphasize that it consists of individuals making judgement about the utility of things in this case, education. Their agenda begins and ends with "fuck you, got mine", a refrain you're probably familiar with if you've made six figures, put with less vulgarity.

I mean really, are you some kind of rube? Were you born yesterday? As if "deserving" were the primary operative concern the system adopts in making that determination on YOUR behalf. Posted by Lucas Gray November 12, November 12, Posted by indigomind November 12, I have somewhat the opposite experience as the hipsters.

I majored in Chemistry despite having more of an aptitude in English and I think it was a bad strategy. As far as career advice, I still think the book "What Color is your Parachute?

The author's attitude is a great combination of idealism and practicality. I know that the US worships capitalism but remember it is also the reason that people come out of college unskilled. It is not profitable for colleges to teach students sufficiently. Posted by medsvstherapy November 12, 9: November 12, 9: The intellectuals, since Aristotle laid it all down, have always been upset that we are smarter, but those with economic power end up as rulers.

Most of us are more subtle. We are requiring hiring quotas and otherwise using the law to develop a world where we are necessary, and will be in control ove the developers of wealth.

The end results is: Healthcare reform is a leading example. As would a planetary cap-and-trade dealio. Wow, we came this close. We actually had a 'carbon market' there for a while. The challenge is to convice everyone that we need to be in charge.

So, we have to promote the idea of enemies, and problems. Yes, if you nswer a poll saying you have any level of concern about buying groceries if you happened to lose your job, we count you among the planet's populance suffering 'food insecurity.

Identify an enemy, and put us in charge to regulate them. It is our BA strategy of developing problems so we are necessary to solve the problems thru legislation and regulation. Now, we get anyone and their dog into BA, then everyone thinks like us, and we get control over the producers of wealth. Well, the ones with the BAs now are both the believers in the Intelligensia being the rulers, and are the poor.

Posted by Dovahkiin November 12, I think there are a lot of reasons for this kind of thing. First off, colleges are NOT sorting mechanisms as one guy here said. It's no more of a sorting mechanism than kindergarden is. Grade inflation in HS and the SAT ACT courses that pretty much tell you the answers to the test guarentee that any semiliterate person can get into college. I've graduated courses in my major even though I never bought the book and BS'ed my way through "research papers" in a day mostly with wikipedia.

All of this is why "college education" is valueless. Then people cry because a diploma that you literally purchased doesn't get you hired. What did you think when you got in with a C- average? Everyone has something, it's useless. If everyone looks like brad pitt, why do we need brat pitt? Posted by Antigone November 12, 3: November 12, 3: I would have been a hipster in my youth, if the phenomenon had existed 10 years ago in Europe I wore the clothes, the hair and the attitude.

Not because of foodstamps, which do not exist here, but because of the irony and the not taking yourself in your mind and the culture you lucked into seriously. And I still think, this is a valid defence for people, who suck at sports and being "ethnic". But this is totally irrelevant. What isn't a valid position to take is, that everybody should be coerced to spend 12 years in school only to incorporate the message, that you can only be successful, if you go to college and become the same looser your high-school teacher and your parents are If you are lucky.

What isn't a valid position to take is, that the labour theory of value holds true. Nobody wants to know about the reason you think your professor wrote about why his professor wrote, why Anna Karenina died in a dress and how many hours you spent thinking about it. Nobody is gonna pay you for words of this blabla. And yes, the amount of your footnotes is irrelevant.

What isn't a valid position to take is, that there is a tough economy right now, and therefore everybody has difficulties to find a job.

Are you useful or are you reading Salon. Oh my god, Capitalism has won, we are only bees to be educated on how to produce maximal value for the others, the bosses. And we won't be able to rewrite Hamlet while urinating on stage with a college degree and earning Dollars a week.

I am so so sorry. I'd really love to see your limp dick. But the real problem is, that it is still to valuable for businesses to rely on a college degree in everything else than "make up for a dead body thingy" as a signal for intelligence. I do know not why, I guess the reason is, that HR departments consists of zombies, that went to college. Posted by Antigone November 12, 4: November 12, 4: Let me clarify, I know why: Because they work in Zombie Industries.

They won't be here after sunlight. Posted by skipper November 12, 4: Why does Salon want you to hate Hipsters on food stamps? This even though there is some evidence suggesting we should rethink our attitude toward college. But that's like, maybe, two paragraphs of this thing.

Not sure what was going on in the rest. Aside from the fact that TLP is awesome and hardworking and very much not a member of the class that she's criticizing here, despite satisfying all the criteria. Anyways, the crude idea that a B. Louis Menand has a nice piece on two theories of higher education. College is either 1.

The point is that you can fulfill the goals of theory 2 no matter what people study. Unless you want to go in for a third view: Well then, yeah, don't study English. But the bigger problem here is that the reason why we need to rethink college has nothing to do with English degrees and everything to do with debt. Posted by Mike Burnett November 12, 5: November 12, 5: Sure college is bullshit, but the hipster-welfare queen chimera you've created is not something to drag out from under your bed and call insight.

Posted by Tom White November 12, 6: November 12, 6: I would like to confess that I was once of these idiots. I made the mistake of getting a useless degree based on bad advice and no life experience. I have never had a job because of that degree. Instead I have taken whatever work I could get and swallowed my pride. In my defense, and I guess defense of all those studying idiotic degrees, we were lied to. All my high school teachers through to the career counsellor, my parents and grand parents etc said go to college.

My parents were uneducated middle class; their advice was based on the advice of what is best for the upper class with money [follow your dream etc]. I did start off in a field that I thought would guarantee me a job [Come graduation I would have been wrong about that had I kept it up] but I was talked into changing my focus by the academic staff with the intent of going into academia. I lacked the drive or the interest and ended up unemployed and unemployable.

I was too young and naive to know what I wanted to do and truthfully I should never have gone to college. It was a major trap and I made the mistake of taking well meaning advice from others. I have a debt I can't shake and four wasted years. I spent my time as a welfare queen but I regained my pride and refuse to be dependent the nanny state. I work shit jobs now but at least I am answerable to no one but my boss and I am no longer a parasite.

That is where I deviate from the hipster in your article. I made the choice to turn my life around. Unfortunately, I am starting from so far below the average that its hard. I unknowingly dug a massive hole and now I have to get the hell back out of it.

Right now I work construction but it has no future. I am told, frequently, that studying STEM will get me places, but now I am wiser and far more cautious since every dollar I spend is one I spent a shit day earning. At the age of eighteen you don't know the value of a dollar, the meaning of debt [it is slavery], or what work really means.

A mandatory two year gap between high school and college where you have to earn your own way would knock many silly notions from young people's heads. Posted by The Last Client November 12, 7: November 12, 7: Nice to see TLP admitting she's a woman and acknowledging she's not a psychiatrist and not "well-educated" in the modern yup-pwog sense. Bored housewife who married a guy she hates, and has spent at least 5 years in psychotherapy, and is writing from a fictional psychiatrist's perspective because of having spent time in psychotherapy to great disappointment?

And, more obviously, clearly in need of reinforcement that she's "brilliant" or whatever her better-of-two-parents used to tell her in those moments of poor self-esteem.

Posted by isomorphismes November 12, 7: Why is it that people identify so strongly with their college degree--either as a primal cause in what follows in their lives or as a valid descriptor of one's "true self"?

I know retired Americans who still self-identify as "I was a journalism major" or "My life began with my chemistry engineering degree". Here are a few possibilities: First big self-identifying choice these people made. And for those who didn't go to college?

Posted by tornpapernapkin November 12, 7: I'm curious what makes people so sure of the gender at all. At best this post reads to me as gender ambiguous. For me at least.

My degree was something I poured my life into. I really loved and dreamed, and I just knew I'd do something good and I find it sad to think about it. Just one more thing in my past. And a box to tick. The second was the end of my belief. Posted by Anonymous November 12, 8: November 12, 8: The system works by giving them a set, one-time dollar amount for food each month.

If they waste it on over-priced food, that's less food for them. Posted by Thomas Belnap November 13, November 13, Looks like I touched a nerve. Your comment shows the difference between you and I. I believe I have control over my actions and you seem to believe that life is simply a matter of chance. Posted by Anonymous November 13, Posted by Anonymous November 13, 1: November 13, 1: And also, asshole, five years in psychotherapy is valuable and is also a hell of a lot of hard work.

Posted by Ryan November 13, 1: They were literally part of the royal bloodline,that was not just a symbol though the importance attached to it by society was. There were millions of White Russian supporters, and so a very real threat that one of the children could later return and start another war to regain their throne. Look at the Carlists in Spain, for how longlasting this could be.

And why the problem with bored housewives? Is that sexism- women can be anything they want as long as it is not a housewife I have no idea why being bored as opposed to, I don't know, wildly entertained matters to you either, but I digress. Seriously- is that the best you've got? Posted by Pirran November 13, 2: November 13, 2: Oooh, what a racist. How can you make such a baseless, bigoted projection?

And everyone else whoever they may be has the DUTY to pay for it. I'm not entirely sure how these things work, but I believe it involves planting many more Magic Money Trees. Posted by Anonymous November 13, 2: TLP is cool with you as long as 'she' is a psychiatrist, but not cool if she is an analysand.

They are navigating the same basic territory but for some reason the psychiatrist is better to you. Although the analysand is largely operating from an emotionally and mentally difficult position, that of navigating raw, original experience Kind of flip sides, same coin.

With these other posts, the basic premise is that poor people artistic hipsters shouldn't get uppity and want things they aren't really entitled to And finally, the artistic hipsters, in my imagination, are happy and making the most of their poverty, cooking something nice, which is all anyone can do, ever.

But everyone writing in with any sense of entitlement is for the most part, pretty unhappy. So what makes you better? I know it is great fun to feel superior to someone, nobody knows that more than me I am super into that.

But still, I've noticed a lot of the time in this blog it's like nobody feels good without trashing on someone else. It's particularly funny when they are doing it whilst insisting grandly they are overcoming their narcissism and being querulous about the best way to be an authentically good person.

Posted by DensityDuck November 13, 2: She has a choice: Use meth and sleep on the street, or sleep in a shelter and don't use meth. She'd rather use meth than not.

She is, therefore, choosing to sleep on the street. Choices are not made in a vacuum. I don't want to eat ramen noodles for dinner, but I like having Xbox Live more than I like having a burrito. Pretending like my choices don't result in noodles instead of beans is foolish. Posted by Chris November 13, 4: November 13, 4: You will not like them. McDonalds is hiring, at least where I live. If there are no jobs, move, and work as a janitor in a oil-riggers dorm if needs be.

Do not sit in a pile of bong smoke. Use the time you have. It is a ticket that gets you in to an entry level job. If you had a real degree pharmacy, medicine, nursing or a trades certificate plumber, mechanic you would KNOW that.

Your newly minted M. That gets you a residency -- or registrar job where I live -- and completing that where I live allows you to sit an exam half the candidates FAIL. If you pass that But my backup plan back in the day when Reagan was schooling Carter was to do English Lit. There the bus ticket is a PhD. And PhDs do not come easy. Keeping academic jobs and promotions I've published on average two papers a year for a decade.

My H factor is 8. My highest cited paper has over 80 citations. And I did not start specialist training until I was Whatever you end up doing, do it well. Because what you did last year really does not matter. What matters is completing the tasks you are doing now. If you are a salesman, you have got to close. If you are a waiter, you have to serve, if a carpenter, build The doors, the choices, are still there.

Commit to it for a year. Because irony, in the end, is Posted by Anonymous November 13, 4: Posted by thestage November 13, 5: November 13, 5: The problem that is cropping up in these threads is that people are taking the idea of "college is bad" in a very general, reductive sense, and then taking this to also mean "knowing things about things that aren't directly related to economic production is terrible. Most of the people bitching about the terror of the humanities essentially in this thread are people who went to college as a trade school and learned nothing of intellectual value.

And yes, TLP is telling you that this set you up economically. But the point isn't that you are awesome, it is that the system fucking blows. If knowledge was truly valued, pursued, and disseminated effectively, we wouldn't be in this position to begin with. Terrible economies and confining social systems are literally based on stupid premises, propagated by idiots intent on being king of the dunces. Education is not the evil, you are. Buy into it so you can eat bread without dying in the gutter we are so dumb we've convinced people one step away from financial ruin that the problem is not that everyone is one or zero steps away from financial ruin, but that we actually attempt to feed the ruined , sure, but nothing at all improves if there aren't also countermeasures, if the concept of advancement via something other than short term economics and material consumption not production, lol, we leave that to asian people is not aggressively and thoughtfully propagated.

Posted by AlexeyConrad November 13, 6: November 13, 6: Posted by Unnatural Selection November 13, 7: November 13, 7: Or never start using meth in the first place, but don't let anyone catch you saying that "people should be held accountable for their life choices".

It isn't their fault that they chose to fail. Posted by Anonymous November 13, 8: November 13, 8: I agree with you but at the same time, considering what a big deal college is, society shouldn't let your sentence be true. College must give you some entitlement or they should get closed down and sued.

I live in europe and here college is cheap, but still they are funded with public money and professors with enough seniority make a ludicrous amount of money compared to the national average.

Why we should let this be if then college doesn't entitle you to anything? The fact that a degree doesn't entitle you to anything is exactly the problem. Posted by tornpapernapkin November 13, 8: You're still thinking of you. What "she" and remember, you're the kind of person who made her up. She's YOU in your imaginary mind. But what "she" is accountable for, like in my hypothetical evil room, is recognizing the clues to make a better choice. But don't let that stop you from feeling superior!

Posted by tornpapernapkin November 13, That seems to be the only time where there's a situation that could be interpreted in such a way the gender of the speaker might be inferred. Still a big leap though. I could also read it as trying to impress a senior in rank.

We're talking about associate profs here. They're like glorified grad students. Trying to impress some one can be as simple as wearing a suit to a job interview, or name dropping your famous colleague. Now it could be sexual. But that doesn't imply a heterosexuality or b that it's not status oriented anyway. I'm so amazed always that people really go through life convincing themselves they're so sure of everything. Posted by JR November 13, Is there anything I can do to get you to stop writing about economics?

I really like the blog, but your ignorance about this one subject is cringe-inducing. This whole post is based on a false premise. They're not getting rich, but they're certainly better off than if they hadn't gone to college.

The article also serves to reinforce the system by subtly suggesting it's still better to be a cog in our economy than a producer in someone else's. It's not an article about the rational hipster who takes his worthless BA in English literature and gets a comfortable salary and free living accommodations teaching English in China.

Hate the hipster on food stamps, but God bless America. I don't think he hates the system and America so much, I think he is more interested in fixing it and not destroying it or damaging it for example by making smart or valuable people move to shitty china.

Posted by Ed S. Does anyone ever actually read a TLP essay or just mentally keyword scan and react? What's it about then? Well, TLP conveniently puts the first topic of the essay in the 1st and 2nd paragraphs:. Those are two "hipsters", and the punchline is that they pay for their foodie porn with foodie stamps which sounds like it should be a terrible thing, except it's in Salon.

It's very easy and satisfying to hate these two, and nothing would make me happier than to hit them square in the back with a jack-o-lantern. But I also recognize that I am being told to hate them, so I have to take a step back and find out why it is so important that I hate them. So what makes them hatable is the seeming choice they have made: If you think that this is an essay about the "value" of a BA -- read it again. The essay is about what TPL regularly writes about: Posted by J November 13, 4: Posted by Dovahkiin November 13, 5: Or at least that's not my point.

I love me some history, I read about it as I get time. The thing I think is conflated in this picture is that somehow you didn't really learn history or art or literature or philosophy unless you got a degree in that subject. It's actually the oppostie in many cases. If I went to a 4-year program to learn history, I'd be pretty much reading pre-chewed history straight out of some professor's book about whatever person or period I'm studying.

And in most cases, that's about it -- you read at most ONE text on the subject with maybe some supplementary reading on the side. You don't even really learn to evaluate whether that person is right or wrong. You take notes on what the teacher says about the professor's texts, then spit back what the professor thought was important about the other professor's thoughts on the history of whatever era. Or if you read on your own, you find yourself reading lots of different sources, and at least in my case a lot of primary sources, and in that way, you are forced to come to terms with whether or not a given author has anything useful to say, or whether that theory of the civil war you were taught in the first text holds more or less water than the theory put forward by a different author.

You find out that what Lewis and Clark were saying about themselves might be very different from the romanticised notion put forward in textbooks. That's the thing, I think you'd actually get a better "liberal arts" type education for a lot less money by reading the texts about whatever interests you on your own time.

It forces you first of all to learn how to learn, but it also makes you budget the time effectively to do so and evaluate sources that you spend your own money on. Then once you do that, it you need to you can use those skills to earn a degree that will make you money. Unless you really want to brag about the diploma, I don't see the problem with self-study.

The resources are out there. It's not as prestiegious to do it that way which is what I think a lot of people like the lib arts degrees for , but you get the same material. For most of us, we're only going to get one chance at a college degree, and since we'll be paying for it for the next 20 years, it makes no sense to get the degree in a subject that won't pay you back. I suppose if you have a trust fund, it might be different -- you aren't going into massive debt to get the diploma, you aren't getting the diploma to get a better job, it's for fun.

If that's the case, do whatever you want. OTOH if you're going to college and taking out loans that you'll be paying back for the next 20 years, you shouldn't be looking at college as "mind expanding" but rather as a job training program. Because if there's no job after the debt, you've become a slave for a degree that's more often used as a way to get a pie piece in trivial persuit, rather than doing it on your own and having no debt. Posted by tornpapernapkin November 13, 5: This is so interesting and different a feeling to me.

It is very hard for me to want to be a failure. Makes me think of the line from Place of Dead Roads. I don't understand how not winning is worse than failing. Winning is just the end of something. Losing is the end of something too. If it's worth doing it's worth doing however it turns out. Posted by DrModern November 13, 5: TLP, this post is stupid, and you are stupid for writing it. To get specific, credentialing is a form of signaling; signaling is the primary means by which participants in the modern labor force convey information about themselves; colleges are institutions that provide credentials.

The value of those credentials depends directly on the perception that they are difficult to obtain, which requires most colleges to set performance standards by essentially arbitrary benchmarks related to cognitive achievement, many of which are ultimately not germane to the tasks people will ultimately be required to do in the labor force. The service that college provide, part of the promise, is that they will grade you rigorously and harshly on your academic performance.

This is why colleges generally do not take steps to constrain their pupils in their choice of major: And while some choices of academic concentration may require further specialized training to realize the value of the undergraduate credential, access to that further training is itself strongly contingent on one's undergraduate credentials. That some subset of the populace hasn't taken steps to realize the value of their credentials doesn't say anything about whether they're mispriced or overvalued by the market in general.

I guess you just don't like that the modern labor force depends on being able to signal your value without necessarily actually delivering value?

I found it anything but simple. Simplicity is just eating whole foods that come from nature, not a lab!

What a comprehensive and well-documented article. Thank you for this. This is a must read for everyone interested in taking back control of their health. We have posted this on our Healthy Changes Now group Facebook page and we will be including a link in our next newsletter.

Thanks again for this great article. I would just like to comment as a Registered Dietitian. We generally teach people to eat as close to the natural resource as possible. We give recommendations for health. If weight loss is the first step that is what we focus on first. Small steps make big changes and its unrealistic for someone especially when working with lower income families to cut out everything at once. I appreciate the idea of cutting out processed foods. Sorry lynn, but your comments prove you ate a brainwashed dietician.

It is very possible, for everyone to do this. It just takes time, planning and the desire to do it. Most of us are lazy, we want health and nutrition to be easy. If not its too hard. They use coffee creamer and such. Yes, you as a dietician should be ashamed at the host chemicals that are in foods you condone. No wonder those trying to lose weight never actually learn how to eat healthy. If people in third world countries and Army rangers can live on grasshoppers and worms and be healthy and strong enough to survive and even fight back, then so can you.

So the reality is that it comes down to inclination, determination, willpower. Do you want to be strong and healthy? Do you want to have a heart attack instead? Are you willing to do what it takes change the way you live in order to have a better life? When you do that you encourage them to make excuses and point to scapegoats to avoid that responsibility and pass it off on some heart-bypass surgeon and those that foot the medical bill.

Such behavior is disgraceful as it allows and encourages this problem to continue. Along with that, they feel deprived without that twinkie. To make matters worse, these same children often receive a bag full of food for weekends and holidays, and its more processed crap.

So, its not always because someone is lazy. We have got to stop the government from being so easily bought by these large food corporations that they are ruining the health of our youth as well. A patient explained to me when you are poor you eat to fill up. Grass hoppers and worms might work if that is all that is out there.

But someone who is poor will not care as much about eating an apple or greens as they want to fill up not knowing when the next meal will come. Folks who say it is easy for poor to eat healthy have likely not been poor or worked with the poor closely. When you see under weight teens living in tents, working, going to school, starving ready to pass out… any dietician worth her salt is not going to lecture the child or family to only eat whole foods. As whole foods are not always available. They have to eat what they can find.

Lynn sounds like she is in the treaches helping people few care about or see. I would challenge anyone here to criticizes Lynn to find a low income struggling family and ask if you can help them. Find a homeless person and spend some time talking to them before you criticize them. All that said Food Babe rocks. I am noticing some organic farms donating to shelters and food shelves. Soup kitchens are working to incorporate better quality fresh foods to serve.

Is anyone here helping do this? June My grandmother picked cotton as a child in the depression and my family ate squirrel and fish we caught ourselves.

You articulated the problem yourself, but apparently coddle it rather than realizing it's a misconception:. Aside from there being 'food deserts' this is the main problem. Any nutritionist that is actually doing their job would tell these people that if they eat to fill themselves rather than nourish themselves they will fill up on empty low-nutrient calories and be fat but malnourished.

American Indians didn't know when their next meal would come either- so they feasted on nutrient dense food like buffalo- not soybeans. Any decent nutritionist will tell you if you buy quantity over quality you pay more for it and stay tired and hungry. Try to burn the fat off and you just run yourself ragged and feel tired and hungry some more.

Same amount of energy calories in a twinkie as in a pear. You wanna know a little secret- I can tell you for a fact, a pear will fill you up more fiber is a good thing than a GMO soy and corn twinkie. They might cost a bit more but the nutrients you get from that pear will keep you and your kids going strong while you fast, rather than sluggish and slow and passing out 30min later.

I know people that think I have a more money to spend on organic just because that's what I do. I just know what a budget is. They get two or three burgers etc. They spend more on pop tarts than I do even when I'm having pasture raised eggs and goat cheese and grass fed milk etc.

What's more is those people that think I eat "rabbit food" can't keep up. They're about to pass out after not eating for 4hrs and I can go all day because when I do eat, I make sure to eat the most nutrient dense wholesome food I can. Any nutritionist that doesn't try to break through that programmed disconnect with reality is just sleeping on the job in my view. I budget and plan and it's not easy in and of itself but it's not any easier than traveling that same 30mi as my relatives do every week to waste your life and money at Wal-Mart for their groceries on top of eating junk from some fast food joint every day.

It's surprisingly easy; easier than people tend to think especially if you have discipline. Most poor who live in inner cities are not going to hunt squirrels or fish, its illegal in city parks. The poor who rely on food stamps many of them working poor simply try to get the most food for their money. That may last as snacks for a month. You act as though poor folks are sitting in nutrition classes regularly! I was educated but had no resources. Grapes and cookies are mostly sugar so if you want snacks that actually go far you want something with fiber.

A good snack would be something like puffed barley and yogurt etc. But that takes discipline many do not have. Hi Vani, As registered dietitians with a combined 17 years of nutrition education and professional experience in the field, we appreciate your passion for nutrition and wish everyone would take such an interest in what they eat.

However, we do take issue with creating fear surrounding foods that have not been proven to be a detriment to health ie. As nutrition professionals, we agree all calories are not created equal, and the body is a complex metabolic system; however, vilifying a broad range of convenient, healthy foods only serves to create a sense of guilt surrounding food choices for those who cannot afford or do not have the time to make your homemade versions as described above.

We remain strongly against the fear mongering tactics you utilize in your posts. We encourage everyone to think critically about nutrition research and trends. This includes both the big food industry and nutrition investigators such as yourself. See my above post. You are duped and perpetuating the lies. And have been doing so for 17 years. Are you truly ignorant about the harm from artificial sweetners. I get the idea of a balanced diet and we all need GOOD carbs — the better fuel he provides for his body the less insulin he must inject — the prospective from these dieticians were far different than that — basically the message he received was, eat more fruits and veggies than you have and adjust you insulin levels to compensate for the other crap you ingest…..

Good day to you Vani, Tara and Lauren. It was close to two years past, that Dr. Mercola wrote an extensive article revealing his concern over the complications of the educational integrity of such seminars provided by the Food Industry ies. It was disheartening to read how massive the food industry really is and the infrastructure that it takes to run it. Look collectively and critically at the president, the FDA and monsanto.

See what they have been doing or not doing over the past few years. In the last few months, I have read several articles revealing that American Companies are creating and selling Organic products over in Europe but not here in our own country; double standard anybody?

Can anyone please tell me where artificial sweetners show up in Organic food. Where are they in a God created apple? While currently writing a cookbook on eating organic, one big fact that I can share is that it is not expensive. Just like Vani says and has always said, it does take work and effort to eat right Eating right is no accident. It is an acquired skill.

Start creating your health library; buy used books. I tell people to buy two or three books per year. In two years, you are on your way. Two good books to get started:: It has been translated into Spanish as well. If you have to , go borrow the book from your neighbor I can tell you that most folks tell me somewhere between six to eight weeks, they began noticing changes for the good..

One lady told me it took over a year to turn the corner towards good health… Wow! Sometimes it takes some second effort to get things done the right way.

Buying bulk foods is the only way to fly. They were sick, the medical intervention s were not working, their health was not improving, the drug interactions were getting worse, they were overweight and usually in chronic pain. They read the book and never looked back. I would see them each, husband and wife, walk by my booth at the market carrying two bags of bulk food. They all say the same thing. The answer now for them is very clear.

A few more facts:: All the big five killers of Americans are still rising even after all the medical and pharmo advancements. Anyone that eats according to the American Inflammatory Diet is bound to create chronic inflammation.

Chronic Inflammation leads to chronic disease. The food industry is not going change what they are doing because they are making too much money…drag their feet at your expense.. Fight back by not buying their political propaganda or their product s. Eat bulk foods fruits vegetables…nuts, healthy fats and grass fed…. It may take some time but buying organic is the smart way. Perhaps get a group of people to buy large bulk in quantity items to save money Azure Standard.

Possible to grow some of your own. Talk with your friends,. If their is a will…there is a way.. Please know that the books I mention, are not perfect for everyone but they are indeed a great place to start. Do the time, four to six weeks, and see for yourself. In time you will know the truth. Remember this… you may lose a battle or two, but stay firm on winning the war.

Your prize is getting your life and health back! Remember, I am not telling you to be perfect. Never missed a meal…never went hungry. Meanwhile, research suggests that reducing food aid could not only increase hunger, but also undermine public health. In a six-year study, Children's HealthWatch, a nonpartisan pediatric research center, recently found that young children in families that got SNAP benefits were at significantly lower risk of being underweight, which is linked with poor nutrition, and of developmental delays.

She has found that since food stamps were introduced in the s, women in the program have seen a reduction in low-weight births and a decrease in infant mortality. Families that get food stamps are also able to eat more healthfully and are less likely to skip doctor's visits to pay for food, housing and other basic needs.

It is paid for entirely by the federal government, although administrative costs are shared by states. Congress reauthorizes funding for the program every five years. Payments are scheduled to decline this week because Congress three years ago voted to reverse a temporary increase in benefits made under the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, a law passed to bolster the sagging economy. Economists say this is an effective way to stimulate growth because the poor must spend almost all of their money just to get by.

That, in turn, funnels money into the economy, creating a "multiplier" effect as food benefits spent in a grocery store generate revenue for other businesses. The size of SNAP cuts will vary by state. Some states have already sought to trim the rolls by imposing new eligibility requirements for food stamps. In Ohio, for example, able-bodied people must work or get job training at least 20 hours a week to qualify for SNAP.

For critics of food stamps, including those who express concern about certain kinds of government spending, such measures are necessary to shrink the federal deficit and encourage SNAP beneficiaries to work. Hostility to the program, especially among some conservatives, has long made it a target. In the early s, for example, Congress moved to slim down SNAP costs by basing benefits on people's gross, not net, income and by limiting income tax deductions for people, among other measures.

The reality, however, is that many people who get food stamps are working. More than 80 percent of beneficiaries find employment within a year of starting to collect payments. With the economy no longer in free-fall and SNAP participation leveling off, analysts also do not expect the program to drive up the deficit. The Congressional Budget Office projects federal spending on food stamps to fall over the next five years as the economy strengthens.

Parents often skip meals to ensure children are fed and use other means to make ends meet. People are looking for something they can feed their children right now. Families, particularly single mothers, rely heavily on food kitchens, mobile food pantries, faith-based organizations and other charitable groups when their food stamps run out.

Flowers leans on her church and Bread for the City, a Washington, D. But that, too, worries, anti-hunger specialists.

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